Tuesday, April 22, 2008

More on classic American liberalism

In my posts below, I mention classic American liberalism. Note that classic FDR-style American liberalism has nothing to do with radical socialist or Communist agendas or whatever. Indeed, FDR's liberal solutions were intended to prevent radical socialists and Communists from coming to power in America. Rather, classic American liberalism has its basis on the study of reality, and the formulation of solutions to problems found in reality.

For example, when FDR became President, there was a lot of people unemployed. FDR did not look at those people and say, "My ideology says that if they can't find jobs on their own, they should starve to death." FDR did not look at those people and say, "My ideology says that I should nationalize all industry and farmland and put those people onto collective farms and state-owned factories". Rather, he said "They need jobs, and if they don't get jobs they're likely to go Communist or Socialist because no man will voluntarily starve to death just because my ideology says he should. Thus I will create jobs for them." And he did, via the WPA and CCC. Problem solved. Communism averted.

Similarly, when I look at health care today, I do not advocate Medicare For All because my ideology says that government should provide health care. Indeed, if that were my ideology, I would be advocating something like the Swedish system where all doctors are employees of the government and all hospitals and clinics are owned by the government. Rather, I advocate Medicare For All because, looking at the numbers of the current Medicare program vs. the current private health insurance industry, it is the most cost-effective way to fund health care. Medicare For All gets rid of a host of administrative overhead that the current system has, from advertising to enrollment, and eliminates entire bureaucracies (such as the entire billing bureaucracy for billing employers and citizens for their health insurance) that otherwise suck up health care dollars but provide no useful service to America. Medicare's administrative expenses are approximately 1/5th those of private insurers on a per-claim basis. If we eliminated the roughly 25% of current health care spending in America that disappears as administrative expenses or profits for health insurers, if we make all health insurance as efficient as Medicare already is by extending Medicare to all Americans, we can fund health insurance for all Americans without any increase in the amount of money that Americans currently spend on health insurance. In short, I go by what the numbers tell me, not what ideology tells me. And what the numbers tell me is that, by and large, Medicare has been a spectacularly successful health insurance program and that there's no reason to not extend it to all Americans rather than only allowing old prunes to enroll.

That is reality-based policy making. That is liberalism. Liberalism has to do with looking at reality, and formulating solutions to the problems you see when you examine reality. People don't have health insurance and the life expectancy of Americans is thereby declining? Provide it to them, sharing the costs amongst all Americans via the existing Medicare payroll tax. That's liberalism -- solving problems via the most effective and least intrusive means it takes to solve them. It's not as exciting as talking about the revolution where capitalism will be overthrown or other such radical left-wing garbage, or ranting about individual responsibility and how those poor people should just voluntarily starve to death or other such radical right-wing garbage, but so it goes. Reality has never been as clean and simple as ideology, it's always been messy and requiring much study and much number-crunching to understand the problem and devise a solution that will actually solve the problem while upsetting the current applecart as little as possible (thus while nationalizing industry and farms would have certainly solved FDR's unemployment problem, interference into the status quo beyond the minimum needed is not part of liberalism, thus he didn't do it). If you want all that ideological stuff you'll just have to go talk to some radical left-wing anarchists or right-wing glibertarians or such. Meanwhile, those of us who deal with reality have problems to solve, and we will continue to propose solutions to those problems that are based on reality, not ideology. It's the liberal thing to do, after all.

-- Badtux the Liberal Penguin

10 comments:

  1. Hello, Mr Penguin.
    No, that doesn't sound much like liberalism to me.
    Sounds more like pragmatism, the basis of old-style progressivism.

    These days, the term 'progressive' has shifted to mean something other than progressivism; which is efficient government, effective government, reduction of corruption, protection from the excesses of moneyed interests, and environmentalism.
    Modern progressivism is more of a Europeanization of American culture. To say that that's how they do it in Europe is all that's necessary for those modern progressives to adore a policy position.
    Thing is, Europe isn't quite to homogenous as to agree to a single thing. The Czech Republic and Portugal are rarely taken into account in such reckonings.

    I'm too tired and too hard pressed for time to go into liberalism here.
    Just to say that I like the post, but disagree with the terms.

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  2. That makes perfect sense and I've been saying that for years. One visit to a doctor's office and you see what a nightmare of red tape keeping up with the difference insurers is the way it all works right now. Not to mention the sheer illogic of medical "insurance" now that costs are so high even for routine care. Keep telling it, Flightless Waterfowl!

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  3. Liberalism is just another label, they sure like labels on this planet.

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  4. I made money on a database system that did nothing but cross reference codes used by different insurance companies for medical procedures.

    Interestingly, the key was the Medicare code, i.e. the doctor's billing clerk entered the Medicare code for the procedure and the code for the insurance company and the system spit out the appropriate billing form required by the insurance company.

    In addition to the savings on the "insurance side" there will be savings to health care providers not having to deal with the different codes and forms of the individual insurance companies.

    The companies that sell that DBMS will lose, but some weren't very nice people, so screw them.

    I fixed errors in one company's coding, and they charged their clients for an upgrade. They made more on a single client than they actually, finally paid me.

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  5. That is reality-based policy making. That is liberalism. Liberalism has to do with looking at reality, and formulating solutions to the problems you see when you examine reality.

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    That's liberalism -- solving problems via the most effective and least intrusive means it takes to solve them.


    And all these years i've been thinking that liberalism was more about envisioning a fantastical and unattainable future utopia and then spending 40 years experimenting with various ineffective ways to attain it.

    Foolish me...

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  6. Progressive Traditionalist,

    You might enjoy my blog. Progressivism at its finest.

    http://thebigstick.wordpress.com/

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  7. I'm not aware of any FDR-style liberals who are prone to fits of utopianism. But I'm willing to be educated. In what way was FDR a utopian? From what I can understand, food, jobs, and pensions for the elderly were his deal, and creating some sort of utopia wasn't. It was the socialists and communists who were into all that utopia stuff.

    As for the past thirty years, as far as I can tell it's the conservatives who've been trying to create a utopia where everybody is white and middle class, the rich are filthy rich, everybody goes to the same church every Sunday, and women are barefoot and pregnant at home. Some might call this a dystopian view, but that's what the "Reagan Revolution" was all about -- a return to some imaginary utopian time when everybody worshipped the same God, everybody was the same color (or knew their place if they were darkies), and women "knew their place".

    - Badtux the Observant Penguin

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  8. I'm not aware of any FDR-style liberals who are prone to fits of utopianism. But I'm willing to be educated. In what way was FDR a utopian? From what I can understand, food, jobs, and pensions for the elderly were his deal, and creating some sort of utopia wasn't. It was the socialists and communists who were into all that utopia stuff.

    But that's just it, FDR wasn't a liberal, he was a Progressive. Liberalism, true liberalism, has no grounding in reality and is the exact opposite of the 'less intrusive' liberalism that you're talking about.

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  9. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with the label "liberal". FDR called himself a liberal. FDR's critics called him a liberal. FDR's friends called him a liberal. Ronald Reagan called FDR a liberal. Rush Limbaugh called FDR a liberal. Jimmy Carter called FDR a liberal, and George McGovern called FDR a liberal. *EVERYBODY* called him a liberal.

    So I suppose re-defining a liberal as a progressive is one way to make it seem as if you're part of a long intellectual tradition that dates back to the Progressive Movement of the late 1800's. But those Progressives fragmented into two branches -- the Socialists, and the liberals. From about 1920 to sometime after 1990, there wasn't anything called a "progressive" here in America. It seems now that you're trying to relabel the liberals as progressives and the socialists as liberals. Sounds like something that Orwell's Ministry of Truth would attempt to do, if you ask me...

    - Badtux the FDR-liberal Penguin

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  10. I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with the label "liberal". FDR called himself a liberal. FDR's critics called him a liberal. FDR's friends called him a liberal. Ronald Reagan called FDR a liberal. Rush Limbaugh called FDR a liberal. Jimmy Carter called FDR a liberal, and George McGovern called FDR a liberal. *EVERYBODY* called him a liberal.

    FDR also called himself a Progressive and linked himself directly with Roosevelt and Wilson, two of the Founding fathers of progressivism.

    So I suppose re-defining a liberal as a progressive is one way to make it seem as if you're part of a long intellectual tradition that dates back to the Progressive Movement of the late 1800's. But those Progressives fragmented into two branches -- the Socialists, and the liberals. From about 1920 to sometime after 1990, there wasn't anything called a "progressive" here in America.

    Progressivism was alive and well under FDR. In fact, IMO it ended as an independent movement with Eisenhower. Conservatives broke away for good around the time Kennedy was elected, then progressivism was rolled into general liberalism.

    When you talk about 'FDR liberalism' what you're really talking about is progressive liberalism. The roots for most of his work were in the Progressive Movement, not in liberalism.

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