tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post5786067444794851287..comments2023-09-29T06:58:20.125-07:00Comments on Badtux the Snarky Penguin: The right wing and lying liarsBadTuxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01345749557330760251noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-64142967336539743402011-08-05T19:14:26.876-07:002011-08-05T19:14:26.876-07:00"What if we put our all towards a goal of 50%..."What if we put our all towards a goal of 50% renewable power in a decade or some other lofty goal. What would happen?"<br /><br />Something like NASA and the entire Space program from Gemini and Apollo through the Shuttle and International Space Station.momma lynnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14533969106400561769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-44200763538888004672011-08-05T18:08:58.501-07:002011-08-05T18:08:58.501-07:00Lynne @8:07 -
Absolutely not a straw man. New De...Lynne @8:07 -<br /><br />Absolutely not a straw man. New Deal Denialism was all the rage after Amity Shlaes' book, "The Forgotten Man" came out in 2008. <br /><br />Edge of the West has gone dormant, but back in the day, Eric Rauchway spent a lot of intellectual capital refuting the nonsense. Here is a slice of the archive.<br /><br />http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/?s=new+deal+denialism<br /><br />Purple -<br /><br />Cogent comment. Well played, sir.<br /><br /><i>I think it is obvious they ... and others like them on all sides of the political spectrum...won't be happy until our country is involved in an actual shooting war, and they are simply fanning the flames until that happens.</i><br /><br />I assume you mean a domestic shooting war - not just another Afghanistan/Iraq/whatever. Blood in the streets is becoming an increasingly realistic possibility. Sadly, Teabaggers have most of the guns. But I don't think that is anyone's specific goal (outside of insane paramilitary groups, of course.) <br /><br />Reducing the population to abject servitude, slavery or serfdom is clearly the goal of the Rethugs, and has been since Reagan. <br /><br />http://jazzbumpa.blogspot.com/2011/08/day-that-will-long-live-in-infamy.html<br /><br />Which is why WASF!<br />JzBJazzbumpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07337490817307473659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-8595989136164282452011-08-05T14:57:49.954-07:002011-08-05T14:57:49.954-07:00There are a lot of people, myself included, who th...There are a lot of people, myself included, who think that what FDR did wrong was to not spend enough. WWII and the massive spending and effort that went into that seems to bear that out. I sometimes wonder what would happen if our people and government put a similar effort into something other than war. What if we put our all towards a goal of 50% renewable power in a decade or some other lofty goal. What would happen?Lynnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-11681647987246179182011-08-05T11:17:21.272-07:002011-08-05T11:17:21.272-07:00I had an argument with a wingnut once where I got ...I had an argument with a wingnut once where I got him to sputter that it wasn't FDR's massive government spending that got us out of the Great Depression, but WWII... because of its... massive government spending... Shut up!!Nangleatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01908938252272172718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-26448618710396719812011-08-05T10:38:06.680-07:002011-08-05T10:38:06.680-07:00Good catch on the scale. I noticed it myself this...Good catch on the scale. I noticed it myself this morning, but WTF. The data is there, you can see it yourself, you don't need me to see it's a 1/3rd drop rather than a 50% drop. Still is, as you say, effin' huge.<br /><br />- Badtux the Oops PenguinBadTuxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345749557330760251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-13655376355798289612011-08-05T10:27:54.320-07:002011-08-05T10:27:54.320-07:00Note the scale on your first graph. The drop in GD...Note the scale on your first graph. The drop in GDP was from roughly 800 to 600, which is a quarter rather than half. Still huge.<br /><br />Excellent blog, often the first one i check each day, after Krugman.<br /><br />Carl in VirginiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-59394749821831023552011-08-05T08:07:10.975-07:002011-08-05T08:07:10.975-07:00Are you sure this isn't some kind of straw man...Are you sure this isn't some kind of straw man argument? I mean, do people really think that FDR's policies made the depression worse? <br /><br />I'll bet none of those people live in Las Vegas ;)Lynnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-61811956041021323222011-08-05T07:43:36.586-07:002011-08-05T07:43:36.586-07:00It is hard discussing things with people who aren&...It is hard discussing things with people who aren't willing (able?) to be rational about certain subjects and must resort to lies, ain't it?<br /><br />I have a couple pals who insists that Democrats are just socialist who want to privatize private businesses and have the gov't run everything. When I try to point them to the party's actual platform, they reply with "it doesn't matter what Democrats say they want. The moment they chant 'Death to corporations!' they expose themselves as socialist."<br /><br />How can one have a discussion with people who are more interested in just hating the people they disagree with rather than engaging in some critical thinking? <br /><br />I think it is obvious they...and others like them on all sides of the political spectrum...won't be happy until our country is involved in an actual shooting war, and they are simply fanning the flames until that happens.purplepenquinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985523216476971244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-20337114706548151022011-08-05T04:14:25.812-07:002011-08-05T04:14:25.812-07:00It's not just math that is hard for the right-...It's not just math that is hard for the right-winger poo-flingers. "Facts are hard." At least if they are facts that condtradict what the right-wingers and Glibertarians <b>feel</b>. They <b>feel</b> like FDR must have been a failure, because they were not alive when America was a land of grinding poverty and hopelessness. I have a strong feeling they're going to experience that world again. And a lot of them are going to put guns in their mouths and give themselves a Second Amendment solution to their misery. A left-wing guy can hope, can't he?Bukko Boomerangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02424677168216647964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-42934993380441612042011-08-05T01:00:33.372-07:002011-08-05T01:00:33.372-07:00The 'FDR made the Great Depression worse' ...The 'FDR made the Great Depression worse' is a strongly woven theme in the move to re-write history. I still hear it.<br /><br />"So anyhow, anybody who can look at those two graphs above and say that FDR made the Great Depression worse or that Herbert Hoover caused it via excess spending is either dumber than a box of rocks, or a dishonest hack."<br /><br />Yes, they are congenitally dishonest and vicious and yes they are stupid except for their one talent of LYING and they are unashamed and brilliant when it comes to exercising that ability.<br /><br />Just remember these are people who didn't even blink when George the Idiot said he was wrong about Iraq but still right to invade. Makes sense. No?<br /><br />JillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-46456035101448227122011-08-04T21:36:37.328-07:002011-08-04T21:36:37.328-07:00JzB, the entire Right Wing appears to have taken t...JzB, the entire Right Wing appears to have taken to heart the words of wisdom of Malibu Barbie -- "Math is hard!" -- and firmly dismiss the notion of, like, looking at actual <i>data</i>. Crap, the Austerians are even *proud* of that fact, sniffing about the evils of "aggregate data" vs. their line of prolix bullshit. I am baffled about how such stupid people can have accumulated so much power in America. But then again, 49.9% of all people are below average, and average ain't so smart to begin with nowadays...<br /><br />- Badtux the Numerate PenguinBadTuxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345749557330760251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-50123882186382593772011-08-04T21:16:43.462-07:002011-08-04T21:16:43.462-07:00The amazing thing about these talking points is th...The amazing thing about these talking points is that all you have to do to refute them is take a look at the data. It's not that damned hard.<br /><br />But it does take a little critical thinking and proactivity.<br /><br />Cheers!<br />JzBJazzbumpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07337490817307473659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-41363822764182212182011-08-04T21:14:40.563-07:002011-08-04T21:14:40.563-07:00Beleck -
Yes.
Check out income disparity.
http:...Beleck -<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />Check out income disparity.<br /><br />http://jazzbumpa.blogspot.com/2009/04/another-correlation.html<br /><br />Tux -<br /><br />After that you get "Govt Spending crowds out private investment."<br /><br />http://jazzbumpa.blogspot.com/2010/11/private-investment-pre-and-post-ww-ii.html<br /><br />Or "Smoot-Hawley did it."<br /><br />http://jazzbumpa.blogspot.com/2009/02/more-on-smoot-hawley.html<br /><br />New Deal denialism was quite a fad a couple of years ago. Doesn't make a lot of headlines these days.<br /><br />Cheers!<br />JzBJazzbumpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07337490817307473659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9612609.post-5246621751777536822011-08-04T20:58:38.207-07:002011-08-04T20:58:38.207-07:00did they have tax cuts for the Rich back then, too...did they have tax cuts for the Rich back then, too?Beleckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019091006878450949noreply@blogger.com